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Post by Gamemaniac on Jan 5, 2006 1:18:14 GMT -5
I was recently lokking for Tabs for some Rhapsody songs when I found out that most tabs sites are going to be shutdown due to copyrigth infrigment. At least that's what some music industry representatives want I'll add the info as summited to Taborama.com's forum:
Sources: Taborama.com Forum: www.taboramaforum.com/index.php?act=ST&f=43&t=82748BBC article: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm
In responce to this event some tab fans started a sign petition to voice their opinion. The petion is on this url: www.tabpetition.com/And also have started an organized event to get all their voices together: www.tabaid.tk/If you are interested on the matter and wish to help just sign the petition.... I already did XD... anyway ... that's one reason I posted ... the second one is to know your opinion about this.... As far as I know ... most TAbs are fanmade and therefore not quite accurate, so as someone else said this tabs dose not replaces the official written scores. Also if most tabs are the fan's interpretation of the song and are made by the fan, then the fan has the rigth to expres his own interpretation of the song. After all the fan is not chargin any fees so hi is not gaining any money from it. What do you think? |
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Post by Mephistopheles on Jan 5, 2006 12:15:15 GMT -5
Well, first... define what it means to help, I mean, which side or what?
For uses of people who don't listen to music (that's me.... and probably just me LOL) I really don't even know what a Tab is.
If it's fanmade it could be considered property of the fan, but as well as a copy from the original which could be more bad than good actually.... distribution is actually the matter here, since even being a fanmade copy, and even if it's quite bad, it can be charged of illegal distribution of a copy of something. Now about the fees, even if the fanmade copies do not charge people..... it's worse than if they did, because that is giving away free stuff that initially they aren't supposed to own and could make the real company who does own it lose money, and if that happens, you're screwed, if they did charge for it, at least they would have with what to pay the lawsue (well, it could happen).
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Post by Gamemaniac on Jan 5, 2006 13:39:42 GMT -5
First.... By helping I mean to support the Tab fans...
Second... A tab is a written form of music ....It is not based on notes but on the way the song is played on a certain instrument ....
For example a guitar Tab would look like this:
||-2-2----2--2-----5----------------------------------------
||-----------3------------------------------------------------
||-----------------------2------------------------------------
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While a Drums' Tab would be more like this:
>--------------------------------3x---------------------------------<
C|x---------------|----------------|----------------|----------------|
S|----s-gg-gg-s---|----s-gg-gg-s---|----s-gg-gg-s---|----s-gg-gg-s---|
B|b---b---b---b---|b---b---b---b---|b---b---b---b---|b---b---b---b---|
|1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |
Tabs are easier for guitars beginners than scores cause they are easier to read.....
Third.... Would you consider a Cubic painting based on the Monalisa a "bad copy"? I think not. We are talking about an art form. By making changes to a song interpretation it becomes a different version and therefore it is not a bad copy. Most starting bands, usually under 18, don't have access to official books but they do want to learn the popular songs. There are only 4 ways to learn it ...
1) Make their own version.... Hard if you don't have a train hear.... and hability....
2) Learn it from someone that knows it .... Who had the same problems to get it ...
3) Buy an official book....
4) Get illegal copies of official books..... or find tabs on the net (Which are not official but if they sound similar and are easier to learn; would seem the fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to learn a song).
So if they ban the web tabs ... many would look for illegal copies or learn it from someone who got illegal copies ....
I think that banning them would only diminish the number of new music players and bands. Many people ... specially the ones who can't get classes (like me) ... can only look for tabs to learn guitar ... or any instrument... if the tabs get banned they will loose their only way of learning....
So a tab is not a "bad copy" of a song but a different interpretation which could be even better. Besides DJ modify songs all the time and make remixes and stuff and they are not consider bad copies ... well some might ... but that depends on the DJ's ability.
Another thing to point out is ... that just as what happen with napster... most go for web free tabs cause they have access to them easier ..., they can find 1000's of tabs on the net .... that's more than what they could find on a book or a store or even a music school .... If those MPA companies don't have an on line service then they should not attack those who have just because their market is going low... Napster still functions .. now in a charged version and it still works ... many people pay for it ...
Now I think you could say ..." then why not do the same with tabs?" well the thing is that in contrast with the digital music piracy problem the tabs are not just copies but a different version ...
If they want to ban that type of work they would have to ban also anyone other than the buyers and the artist from playing the song... even if the musician can't use the technique ....
I believe that banning tabs is banning valid way of expressing our appreciation to a bands or artist's work.
PS. I think you didn't read the whole article ... ¬¬
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Post by Link on Jan 5, 2006 14:23:37 GMT -5
Gamemaniac: Mephistopheles doesn't read whole articles. He just checks the first lines. I don't go to Tab or Lyrics sites, but MPA are taking it too serious. Those sites are free and they aren't making anything illegal, mainly because they are fanmade. If anything fanmade was illegal, then a lot of sites would not exist. It's part of the freedom of speech.
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Post by Mephistopheles on Jan 5, 2006 17:55:52 GMT -5
About the article.... I never check the sources you guys put there, how boring, I just read what you say here. (sometimes I don't read long copy-pasted descriptions when the topic doesn't interests me)
Knowing what a tab is helps a lot.... it does sounds like banning them is too much, at any rate, something should only be banned for copyright stuff if it makes the company loose money by using their product, but it doesn't looks like the case.
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Post by Link on Jan 5, 2006 18:07:58 GMT -5
^^^^^^
One more indication that Mephistopheles doesn't read full messages.
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Post by Mephistopheles on Jan 5, 2006 18:33:09 GMT -5
You're going too far there (also offtopic). You are no one to say how I read so shut up.
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Post by Link on Jan 5, 2006 19:31:20 GMT -5
Yet, you continue to talk about my little joke (which could be dead as of right now). Also, may I remind that I'm Administrator, and as G-Mod, talking like that you're losing respect from other members.
I like the way gamemaniac compares this situation with what happened to Napster, but it isn't a good example. A perfect example would be, let's say, if www.vgmusic.com was banned. |
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Post by Gamemaniac on Jan 5, 2006 22:39:17 GMT -5
That's also a good example .... never the less ... I wanted to use an existing example more than a hypotetical....
Mephistopheles: Since you are the G-Mod you should respect others and promote respect between members... This is not a personal attack against you but I have seen some of your acts as a failure to acomplish such objectives... Don't get me wrong ... I don't want you to be remove but to make you conceus that there is a limit on freedom of spech ... and sometimes you cross it ... No hard feelings rigth? XD |
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Post by Mephistopheles on Jan 6, 2006 13:30:52 GMT -5
I don't count your comment as a joke, it was unrespectful to my privacy, you spoke out of line and I got angry. Ok, I apologize for being rude, but you should do so too.
Well, how does the voting affects the situation in real life? there are legal means to handle stuff like this, and people voting could be quite useless, or the companies could discredit the votation by saying that the votation was controlled illegaly, or it was drawn by illegal means, or many other better reasons thought by good lawyers and not by me, which tend to be quite convincing.
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Post by Gamemaniac on Jan 6, 2006 13:52:12 GMT -5
I don't count your comment as a joke, it was unrespectful to my privacy, you spoke out of line and I got angry. Ok, I apologize for being rude, but you should do so too. Is this for me to read or for link? (My guess is link)
i know that a simple firm list may seem as useless but it is a prube to the support of the people towards the Tabs. It is an expresion of the people. Just as a good lawyer could make it seem useless another lawyer could make it a great wepon to succes. In my opinion. |
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Post by Mephistopheles on Jan 6, 2006 14:25:59 GMT -5
So, now we only we wait to see what happens? this could take long.
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Post by Link on Jan 6, 2006 15:32:37 GMT -5
Petitions like that never work. A lot of people have tried to make them, but they never work. (Example. There is a petition to Konami so that they make a Castlevania collection, but it still hasn't been made it and will probably never be created because of that petition.)
A petition that could work is one like the one Messenger Plus made to Microsoft. That was well done, and it worked.
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Post by Mephistopheles on Jan 6, 2006 16:10:30 GMT -5
So, in short, you're also saying the voting won't work?
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Post by Link on Jan 6, 2006 22:01:37 GMT -5
So, in short, you're also saying the voting won't work? Very probably, yes, it would also not work. PS: Double quoted to make the message seem bigger. (lol) |
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